RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS SUBMITTED
to
MANSTON AIRPORT CONSULTATIVE COMMITTEE
MEETING 11 SEPTEMBER

Questions are listed under the type headings below, you can go straight to a question type, or page-down to read all of them.

 

 

 

 

AIRCRAFT TYPES

Q. Will old noisy aircraft be banned or restricted as at other UK Airports?
Christopher Byrne, Herne Bay

Q. What is the policy for ageing planes which, apart from high noise element, appear to emit heavy aviation fuel vapour that descends over our houses and gardens? Are these to be barred as at other airports?
Joseph Waters, Ramsgate

A. All aircraft operating at London Manston Airport meet current international standards. As the standards become more stringent the aircraft in question will either have to comply or be withdrawn from service.
It is untrue to say that they are banned at other airports. Many other airports try to dissuade the older noisier aircraft by imposing higher charges than apply to more modern aircraft.
Alastair Robertson, Airport Director

ASBESTOS

Q. What assessment has been made regarding amount of asbestos that maybe in old buildings adjacent to aprons, prior to demolition?
MS Kirkaldie, Ramsgate

A. The MOD has provided what is believed to be a comprehensive record of the asbestos content of all buildings included in the sale of the airfield site to the Wiggins Group.
Alastair Robertson

EMERGENCIES

Q. Will provision be made for an emergency ambulance service?
Yvonne French, Ramsgate

A. The provision of a public emergency service at the Airport is not in our remit. .We do, however, provide our facilities, free of charge, to the Emergency Services when they respond to an actual emergency in the area.
Alastair Robertson

EMPLOYMENT

Q. If foreign aircraft bring their own loaders with them (re report that one was injured at Manston), how will this help the employment situation in Thanet?
Len Claisse, Whitstable

A. Local labour is being used. The crew of the aircraft is responsible for confirming that the load has been secured properly and the aircraft is properly balanced before departure. Therefore the crew includes a Loadmaster who is responsible for overseeing these aspects of loading. There is always a change of flight crew between arriving and departing flights and it was the Loadmaster of the outbound flight and an engineer from the airline who were injured in the unfortunate accident.
Alastair Robertson

Q. How many jobs at Manston have been given to local residents that are directly employed by Wiggins? How many jobs have been given to others not residents of Thanet at time of employment, directly employed by Wiggins?
RN Rodway, Ramsgate

A. A total of 26 people have been employed from outside Thanet and indeed the county of Kent. This group principally comprises specialist members of our Air Traffic Control and Rescue and Fire Fighting Departments. It was conditional to the granting of our civil licence that these specifically qualified people were in place at Day 1. We are now training and developing Thanet people in these disciplines as part of our declared commitment to the local community. Additionally there are a total of 14 people who, whilst not from Thanet, are from nearby settlements such as Sandwich. Ash. Dover and Herne Bay.
Within the Manston team there are 77 individuals who are residents of Thanet and indeed were so prior to Wiggins taking over at Manston. This represents 65% of the employee strength. The "local" recruits therefore total 91 -78% of the employee strength. As a point of interest 84% of the recruitment intake for the last 12 months has come from within Thanet.
Alastair Robertson

ENDEMIC DISEASES

Q. A great deal of air traffic comes from areas that have endemic diseases. What protection is given to safeguard local ground teams from infection? Are ground crews immunised to safeguard local community from disease?
MS Kirkaldie,Ramsgate

A. The Airport has set up an arrangement with a local surgery to provide our personnel with the appropriate immunisation.
Alastair Robertson

ENVIRONMENTAL

Q. Will any environmental assessment be carried out to predict effect of large scale expansion i.e. property blight, noise, pollution. If not, why not?
Christopher Byrne, Herne Bay

A. A large number of surveys relating to such matters as noise. air pollution, sound insulation for dwellings and a green travel strategy will be commissions by Wiggins and published locally as part of a rolling programme over the next two years. The requirements for and scope of the reports are set out in paras. 2 -11 of Schedule 2 in the Section 106 Agreement.
Tony Freudmann, Wiggins Group plc

FLIGHT PATHS

Q. Understand that take off direction can be dictated by wind direction. Of late seems that on windless days there is an increase in take offs over Ramsgate. Is this a temporary measure?
Joseph Waters, Ramsgate

A. The direction of take off is dictated by the surface wind as measured at the airfield. The airfield is the most exposed part of Thanet and the wind as measured at the airfield is always higher than is apparent in the more adjacent local residential areas.
Alastair Robertson

Q. Why can't planes that fly so low over Ramsgate houses frightening children, come in over the sea across fields and from the other direction, or circle to come in, instead of directly across Ramsgate?
J Holbourn,Ramsgate

A. An aircraft must land into wind or as close to it as possible. Therefore. the direction of the approach is dictated by this. A large aircraft is not very manoeuvrable particularly in the very final stages of flight where its aerodynamic characteristics are compromised by the requirement to lower the undercarriage and to lower flaps to reduce the airspeed to landing speed. Consequently. a long and straight in approach provides a safe environment in which to accomplish all this. The type that you suggest would not unfortunately meet the criteria associated with a safe and controlled approach.
Alastair Robertson

Q. How close will any aircraft landing at, or taking off from, the expanded airport, fly to Deal and Walmer, and at what height?
James Paterson, Chairman Deal Society

A. The main airways beacon associated with the complex flight paths in the south east of England is about 2 miles south west of Walmer. The majority of commercial aircraft using Manston join and leave the busy airways system at this beacon. Aircraft will normally be between 5000-6000 ft above ground level at this point.
Alastair Robertson

Q. I am in correspondence with Alastair Robertson concerning safe routeing of aircraft. My contention is that aircraft from the East should turn onto finals when still well out to sea and similarly on take off to the East, aircraft should continue on a straight course until well over the sea before commencing climbing turns. It is well understood that take off and landing are most critical phases of flight, and Mr Robertson appears to agree with my views. However, aircraft engaged in low level turns continue to over-fly my home in Broadstairs, most recently on 4th September. Why is this?
AJ Welcome, Broadstairs

A. I am sorry that you are still experiencing this situation; our efforts have obviously not been totally acceptable. I am in the process of writing to all the airlines using the Airport re- emphasising and reinforcing the requirement to fly over the sea rather than inhabited coastal areas.
Alastair Robertson

Q. Why cannot the angle of approach be increased especially over Ramsgate, and be in line with Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted? Increasing the angle of approach would allow aircraft on approach to use less power so reducing noise level.
D Ellis,Ramsgate

A. The standard internationally recognised civil aviation glidepath is 3° .There are a small number of exceptions to this authorised because of limitations imposed by obstacles. The only exception in the UK is London City Airport. Certainly Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted Airports all operate a 3° glidepath. Apart from the fact that it would be a departure from international standards, all aircraft using the proposed higher glidepath would have to be re-certified accordingly and the Civil Aviation Authority would have to give their approval. A previous informal discussion with them on this point indicates that this would not be forthcoming.
Alastair Robertson

Q. Is there a map I could see that shows flight paths around the area? Are they very wide paths (eg a mile wide, or a few hundred metres, or in between)? Many flights follow exactly the same path. Is there a navigation beacon somewhere that controls this? If so, where is it located? Does the weather have a major effect on the directions that planes land and take off? If so, what are the main directions used when the wind is (a) in the west and (b) in the east? Is the flight path simply reversed?
Derek Ray, Canterbury

A. To answer fully your questions in writing would probably generate more questions than it would answer. I would therefore like to suggest that you visit the Airport for a briefing to cover these and ensuing aspects.
Alastair Robertson

GENERAL

Q. Is it the intention of TDC to allow LMA to expand to the size of stansted within next S/6yrs?
Christopher Byrne, Herne Bay

A. The Council is committed to support the sustainable development of Manston Airport, but whether it will ever reach the capacity of Stansted Airport, and if so, in what timescale is "crystal ball gazing". What can be said is that should the Airport approach the throughput of Stansted, a number of major development such as for example a new passenger terminal could be required, and such developments would be likely to require an application for planning permission. The Council will be able to approve or reject any such application based on review of environmental considerations against the economic benefits such a development would have for the area. If approval were being contemplated, the Council could impose appropriate conditions on the development, some of which would have due regard to the environmental impact envisaged.
Brian Lear, Dir. of Community Services, TDC

Q. Object to way Wiggins have continued to make part of airport scrap metal yard. Originally told it was only 6 planes.
Glynne Hibbert, Minster

A. The aircraft currently being dismantled are the last three of the eight aircraft that we inherited with the Airport. We are equally as anxious as local residents to stop this activity but it we do not dismantle the aircraft, they will remain in their present position to blight the landscape for the foreseeable future. It may be worth mentioning that the Airport does not own these aircraft and we derive no financial benefit from this activity.
Alastair Robertson

Q. Have Wiggins any contracts at all for passenger-carrying airlines to be based at and to fly from Manston?
Do Wiggins have any passenger airlines interested in being based at and flying out from Manston?
RN Rodway, Ramsgate

Q. I am not alone among residents in E. Kent in hoping that passenger flights from Manston to Spain and other European destinations will soon become possible. Is this wishful thinking or a positive reality?
Dr J Whyman, Ramsgate

Q. When will passenger flights to European destinations commence and are discussions taking place with holiday operators like Thomas Cook or Thomsons?
Mike Wilson, Westgate

A. Confidential negotiations are taking place with a number of airlines and tour operators, both British and European, with a view to ensuring that Manston becomes an import point of arrival and departure for European and Transatlantic passenger traffic in the coming years.
Major capital works in the form of new aprons and taxiways and a refurbishment of the passenger terminal will be required before this can happen to any large extent. Planning consent for the aprons and taxiways was secured in April 2000 and construction work will begin later this year. Plans for a refurbished terminal are virtually complete and planning consent will be sought later this year with a view to the construction work taking place early next year.
Tony Freudmann

NIGHT FLIGHTS

Q. Will there be a ban on all night flights between 10pm and 6am except in event of emergencies?
Christopher Byrne, Herne Bay

Q. Appears to be difference of opinion regarding night flight intentions. Can this be clarified and the truth publicised once and for all.
Joseph Waters, Ramsgate

Q. What will be the night-flying regulations of the enlarged airport? How will these be enforced?
James Paterson, Chairman Deal Society

A. The position can be summarised as follows: there can be no regular night flying between the hours of 2300 and 0700 unless it is in accordance with a published night flying policy in respect of which due consultation has taken place. The only exceptions to this are emergency relief flights, inbound transatlantic flights between 0600 and 0700 and outbound European flights between 0600 and 0700.

The word "regular" is carefully defined in the Section 106 Agreement and the position is set out in full in paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 of that Agreement.
Tony Freudmann

NOISE/POLLUTION

Q. What agreements have TDC put in place with Wiggins to protect residents against noise and pollution if expansion plans allowed to proceed.
Christopher Byrne, Herne Bay

Q. Air contamination occurs when planes park at Smugglers Leap or Minster end of runway -smell of aviation fuel in gardens forces residents indoors. If expansion proceeds what is going to be done about air contamination and preventing it reaching lower ends of historic village of Minster?
Glynne Hibbert, Minster

Q. Airport plans are an asset Thanet cannot afford to push aside, but quality of life of those living under flightpath should not be pushed aside either. Elimination of vapourised fuel showers and excessive take off noise could make a difference.
Joseph Waters, Ramsgate

Q. The draft Section 106 Agreement as published for the public consultation, contained provision for pollution monitoring -results of which would be given to TDC and MACC on a monthly basis. What regulations exist for determining what is deemed to be "excessive pollution", and what provision does the amended 106 Agreement contain for dealing with any contravention?
Resident of Broadstairs

A. The Government has required local councils under the Environment Act to review air quality within their area and make a public statement as regards air quality in general and in regard to a number of specific pollutants. These pollutants include: sulphur dioxide, carbon dioxide. nitrogen oxide, particulates, etc.
The Section 106 Agreement makes provision for the airport operator to fund the provision of a number of diffusion tubes capable of recording background pollution levels for a series of pollutants. These tubes will be monitored and managed by the Council who will use an independent laboratory to analyse the results. Review of the data provided will indicate whether or not there is any abnormal increase in pollutants in the vicinity of the Airport. If there is evidence of increases in pollution that can be attributed to airport activities, the Airport Operator will be invited to prepare a plan to reduce/mitigate the impact of the airborne pollution for consideration and acceptance by the Council.
Brian Lear, Dir of Community Services, TDC

Q. How many complaints are there regarding noise and exhaust pollution?
M.S Kirkaldie, Ramsgate

A. Breakdown of complaints attached (as supplied by Alastair Robertson at the meeting on 11 September 2000)

Q. There are a number of "droning" planes that fly over Canterbury between 9.30 and 11.30pm most nights. Are these to or from Manston? Are they perhaps a specific group of flights, eg to and from the USA ?
Derek Ray, Canterbury

A. The aircraft in question are not from Manston and I cannot begin to guess where they are coming from or going to. There is an extensive airways system that covers south east England, and sound seems to travel further at night due to the reduction in ambient noise.
Alastair Robertson

Q. How many complaints have Wiggins received from residents about noise pollution? How many complaints have Wiggins received about air pollution?

How many complaints have Wiggins received about low flying aircraft?
RN Rodway, Ramsgate

A. Breakdown of complaints attached (as supplied by Alastair Robertson 11 September 2000)

NUMBER OF FLIGHTS

Q. Will there be any restrictions in respect of number of day time flights permitted?
Christopher Byrne, Herne Bay

A. A restriction in the number of day time flights is not currently under discussion
Alastair Robertson

Q. If, as envisaged by TDC, there will be ten million passengers per year by 2020, what will be the frequency of take-offs and landings?
James Paterson, Chairman Deal Society

A. The answer to this is an arithmetical calculation based on a number of assumptions.
An assumption of 10m passengers spread evenly over 365 days, with an average of 100 passengers per flight, results in 274 flights. Assuming a current working day of 14 hours, the result would be 20 flights per hour.
Alastair Robertson

Q. How many landings and take-offs are there currently at Manston? What is expected growth over next 3 and 5 yrs?
Derek Ray, Canterbury

A. On average there are about 20 landings and take offs by large commercial aircraft each day. Many of these are training flights. Assuming that the Airport can attract 3m passengers by the end of 2005, this figure could increase to about 90 movements a day.
Alastair Robertson

PUBLIC MEETING

Q. Rather than this type of stage-managed meeting, where answers to pre-submitted questions are prepared in advance, is it not time, in view of developments, that TDC arrange another public meeting?
CG Brooks, Westgate

A. The meeting referred to is one of Manston Airport Consultative Committee meetings, one of which is open to the public each year. These meetings are neither called, nor managed, by the Council. Throughout the process of development of the airport since it became a civilian operation, the Council has either held public meetings to inform the public, or made copies of draft documents available for the public to comment. The Council is satisfied that the process conducted to date has been open to public review. That said, it is likely that should major changes in the current operation of the airport be proposed, the Council would continue to advise the public of any such proposals to enable Members of the Council to be aware of public views. The process could include further public meetings, if for example a major proposal for new development were put forward which would mean a step change in the development of the area, and if it was thought to be the best method of getting the issues before the widest audience.

Thanet District Council SECTION 106

Q. Having heard Cllr Nicholson say some weeks ago on Radio Kent that the Sec. 106 agreement had been "beefed up" regarding penalties and safeguards, is it possible to have more details.
Resident of Windermere Avenue, Ramsgate

A. A number of the restrictions on such matters as engine testing were tightened as compared with the original draft and most of the fines to be imposed have been subject to substantial increases.
Tony Freudmann

Q. How many local residents have written to the airport to tell them they are in favour of the airport without any restrictions other than the 106 Agreement?
How many local residents have told Wiggins they are not in favour of the airport without restrictions or with the 106 agreement in place?
RN Rodway, Ramsgate

A. From some 300,000 people given the opportunity to respond to the public consultation on the original draft document, 314 responses were received. Of those, 274 were from individuals, and 40 from Councils, associations and other organisations. In total, 222 letters indicated that they were generally in favour of the draft 106. Eighty-nine responses indicated that they were opposed to the agreement.
Cllr Barry Coppock, TDC

SHIPMENT OF ARMS

Q. A recent Radio 4 programme "The new world of war: The arms trade" drew attention to UN sanctions-breaking flights departing from Manston with military equipment for African conflict areas. It was also stated that sub standard aircraft may be used on such flights. The producer of the programme says that his investigations also found that in May this year, 4 helicopters were shipped from Manston to the Democratic Republic of Congo which is subject to a European arms embargo. He says that this is now the subject of enquiries by the DTI and Customs.
What assurances can the management provide regarding their ethical policy and inspection and control of cargoes and the quality of aircraft attracted to the airfield?
A.J Welcome, Broadstairs

A. I have asked the BBC for a transcript of the programme which was made without reference to the Airport. From this I will be able to better understand the nature and context of the comments you have used in formulating your question.
The helicopters you refer to were four Alouette II light helicopters previously used by a European Police Force. The aircraft were not configured for military use and were described on the manifest as being for survey work associated with the oil industry .This mayor may not be a true statement. However at the time, and given the accompanying official paperwork, we had no reason to doubt the veracity of the information supplied.
Cargo comes to the Airport in two forms; either it is cleared or uncleared. If it is cleared it means that it has been inspected, approved and packed by another competent UK authority, for example the World Cargo Centre at Heathrow. Uncleared cargo is automatically broken down, examined and x-rayed to establish its nature. Subsequently it is repacked, declared to Customs, and loaded. In this way cargo passing through the Airport is verified to ensure that it is accurately described on the manifest and that supporting documentation is available.
With regard to standard of aircraft using Manston, please refer to my answer under the questions regarding Aircraft Types.
Alastair Robertson

UNDERGROUND MUNITIONS

Q. Underground munitions were recently removed from ex-RAF base at Hawkinge, despite it having been previously swept. Manston Airport operators recently stated in press that Manston was safe. Developers had said same for Hawkinge. Technology has moved on. Will another sweep be carried out to check prior to excavation, using modem ground radar?
M S Kirkaldie, Ramsgate

A. The MoD carried out a survey of the airfield site during the period between Exchange of Contracts and Completion of the sale. Significant numbers of minor explosive items were found and disposed of. Subsequently, as part of the preliminary works associated with the development of the 20 acres of aprons and taxiways, further surveys have been, and are being, carried out using more sophisticated and penetrative equipment.
Alastair Robertson

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